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China Mad at Bjork for Supporting Tibet

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09:09 AM Mar 10 2008 | Reply

john

johnSuper Member!

United States

 

Recently Chinese officials got upset with American singer Bjork for expressing her opinions about Tibet being free from China at a concert.  Chinese officials said:

 

"We will further tighten controls on foreign artists performing in China in order to prevent similar cases from happening in the future," the Ministry of Culture said in a statement, per Reuters. "We shall never tolerate any attempt to separate Tibet from China and will no longer welcome any artists who deliberately do this."

 

I'm asking my Chinese friends, do you agree with the government that artists who do the same thing should be banned from the country? 

10:47 AM Mar 10 2008 | Reply

Kanaobi

United States

I'm a half Chinese but I'm not the citizen of China. China has it's right to ban anyone that they think bring harm or negative effects for the country. 

But I feel like they shouldn't went that far by banned artists. though it's China that we talked about. China is not US, John..where people can criticize their own country without any fear to be banned. it's not a place where Greenday's album: American Idiot got a lot of grammy.

China should learn a lot of democracy in stating people's opinions. by banning artists, it's only show it's insecurity and might gain more support for Tibet.

 

okay I need to read more about Tibet and I'll come back again. Laughing

09:08 PM Mar 10 2008 | Reply

MarkChina

MarkChina

United Kingdom

I totally agree with Kanaobi about China's insecurity. It's so obvious … and dangerous.

Much as I dislike China's form of government, in the end it is up to them.

10:44 PM Mar 10 2008 | Reply

Blakerieger

Blakerieger

United States

China isn't being insecure, it's being smart.

 

The education there isn't exactly doing a great job at inoculating people against absurdity, and for good reason: their resources are clearly unable to keep up with the technological boom.  Viral information, and dangerous ideas spread faster and are believed more easily in China than any other nation on Earth.  Due to this, both personality cults and political movements can spread very quickly; the naivety of the general populous combined with a lack of stable religious dogma (the latter being a good thing, but dangerous in combination with the first) is insurmountable.

Until China exceeds Western education standards, and is able to teach the youngest generation rational thought and critical thinking, it's down right dangerous to spread rebellious ideas among the population.

 

I don't want China destabilizing, and anybody with half a brain can see the potential disaster inherent in a destabilized China and agree that that would be a very bad thing for all of us- whether we live in China or not.

 

Whatever the Chinese government feels is necessary to protect it's political stability, at this point, I support.  Internet censorship, media censorship, banning people who want to stir up trouble and cause CIVIL WAR

 

I know I wouldn't want the responsibility of running such a large nation and keeping it stable.  Yes, China is doing right by me. 

11:34 PM Mar 10 2008 | Reply

aljensen

aljensen

United States

Yeah but the way you get good at something is by doing it!

 By hindering the free flow of information, China may be hurting itself in the long run. Freedom of speech isn't just necessary for political freedoms, it's also necessary for politcial efficiency.

12:00 AM Mar 11 2008 | Reply

aileench

aileench

China

everyone knows that the Olympics will be hold this year in China.As Bjork has performance on the opening ceremony of Olympics in Athens before,  the Chinese Culture Ministry thinks it's better to invite her to come to China to give performances, so it is ….

Tibet affairs are internal affairs of China, it is seems nothing to do with rock.

To most of the western people, they think Tibet is not belong to China. but to Chinese, Tibet is an inseparable part of Chinese territories since ancient times.

Though Bjork has right to create such a song, but we Chinese have right to safeguard our territorial integrity and keep peaceful

12:49 AM Mar 11 2008 | Reply

MarkChina

MarkChina

United Kingdom

Blake – We finally totally disagree on something!

I think if your principle is applied everywhere, we'll just end up with people getting rid of our freedoms "for our own good". I totally agree with you on the naivety of the Chinese population, but are Americans naive? It wouldn't be hard to argue that they are. So, let's get rid of liberal democracy in the States! Apply the principle on an individual scale. Teenagers are naive, therefore parents should never let them out of their sight!

Many Tibetans would argue that Tibet is about not the "internal affairs of China". They were pretty clearly invaded, after all.

Nothing to do with rock? I'd be interested to hear other opinions on this, but for the moment, I'll have to disagree. Music has long been a way of expressing political dissatisfaction. Ask the Irish. Ask blacks in America.

Whether or not you agree with the Chinese presence in Tibet, claiming that it has been an inseparable part of China from ancient times is a total lie.

03:07 AM Mar 11 2008 | Reply

Kanaobi

United States

 By hindering the free flow of information, China may be hurting itself in the long run. Freedom of speech isn't just necessary for political freedoms, it's also necessary for politcial efficiency.

touche, Mr. Aljensen.

To most of the western people, they think Tibet is not belong to China. but to Chinese, Tibet is an inseparable part of Chinese territories since ancient times.

aileench, but you forget one thing to explain. for most Tibetans, it is not an inseparable part of china and like Markchina said, it's not the internal affairs of China because if they thought it is, they wont seek support from the western country.

However like I've stated, China has the right to do whatever they want to do for the sake of their country. 

03:17 AM Mar 11 2008 | Reply

aileench

aileench

China

Anyway…

you guys go on…

Im not so much interested in political talkings…but it is concerning my country…so I just speak out my views…believe or not…

you guys are right.. people have right to talking….. :))))

09:02 AM Mar 11 2008 | Reply

Blakerieger

Blakerieger

United States

"I totally agree with you on the naivety of the Chinese population, but are Americans naive?"

 

Yes, naive to reality, but Americans are also closed minded and convinced they already know everything, and so are slightly less susceptible to the tendency to follow every new rebellious trend.  Chinese are naive and open minded- a blank slate- whereas Americans are already full of XXXX.

The state of being full of XXXX such as religion actually has a protective quality on political stability, because every rogue idea or personality cult is pretty much ignored.

Of course, religion has drawbacks as well- having one's head full of that XXXX will prevent any true understanding of the world (vastly superior) from ever taking hold.

The problem China is facing is that it's much harder to teach a population science and critical thinking than it is to dump religious XXXX into their heads to cap them off and prevent any other memes from taking hold and causing trouble.

I support what China is doing, because they're not taking the easy way out like the rest of the world- they are actually giving their people the chance to understand what it's all really about. 

 

They aught to go back to completely illegalizing religion in my opinion, until they have the capacity to educate the population properly- unfortunately, pressures from the West and "human rights" are preventing them from protecting their people from these dangerous memes. 

In my opinion that's like saying it's a "human right" to contract malaria, and preventing government action to stop its spread.  Religion as a human right is ridiculous- it's a disease, not a right.

 

 

"So, let's get rid of liberal democracy in the States!"

 

If only it were so easy.  If I could push a button to put a secular socialistic totalitarianism in charge over what we have, I probably would if it would take hold.

The important thing there is secular- right now the US is primarily run by religious extremists, so I'm really not quite ready to give up my vote and be burnt at the stake.  We certainly don't need more religious states in this world.

 

The problem is that it wouldn't work, there would just be rebellion.  The West already took the easy way out, and the people here are closed minded.  For the time being, as such, a more libertarian government is ideal in the States.

 

Another problem with even a secular dictatorial government is that no matter how good the leader, eventually a bad one will crop up, and there's no way to get rid of him/her.

Just because right now I agree with the Chinese government doesn't mean I always will- it may not always agree with itself.  To their credit, I think they recognize this problem and are slowly migrating over to a more democratic standard. 

 

"Teenagers are naive, therefore parents should never let them out of their sight!"

 

If somebody is naive and open minded, one of three things need to happen:

1. Ideally the person is educated in science and critical thinking. (Arguably some very few European countries)

2. If that isn't possible, the ideas coming in need to be censored and the individual monitored to prevent dangerous memes from taking over. (China)

3. If even that isn't possible, religious dogma can be used to close the mind, and replace the naivety with absurdity that is politically safe. (The USA, Canada, Mexico, most of Europe, the UK, India, etc.)

 

Option #3 can never become #1- or at least it takes generations to shed dogma like that (look how long it has taken the USA to get pretty much nowhere).  China is simply responsible not to default to option #3.

 

 

"Many Tibetans would argue that Tibet is about not the "internal affairs of China". They were pretty clearly invaded, after all."

 

Invaded, and rightly so. They pulled that country out of the dark ages and disposed an 'evil' god-king.  I praise China for saving the people of Tibet from the brutal theocratic dictatorship they lived under and for establishing secular education.  Not that they were trying to do that- I don't know if that factored in or not- but it was a good side effect in my book. 

Perhaps had they managed to kill the tyrant instead of letting him escape to spread propaganda and dissent about Tibet in the West it would have turned out better?

 

"Music has long been a way of expressing political dissatisfaction."

 

I agree, it has quite a bit to do with music. 

Bjork just has dangerous opinions that are founded in Western ignorance.  It's her right to have those opinions, but it's the Chinese government's right to lock her out of the country and prevent potentially millions of lives from being lost in rebellions of civil unrest sparked by her ignorance.

06:51 PM Mar 13 2008 | Reply

coco wang

coco wang

China

It is not an effective way to forbid someone to say something,but Bjork did a wrong deed,and also many other people are wrong.

In a sense,they all have no right to say like that about Tibet,because they know nothing about Tibet,thay have never been to Tibet,and even have never talked to a tibetan.They know nothing about the real life of Tibetans.

I live together with a tibetan girl in our dormitory,and thousands of tibetans live in this city,Most of them are  live a happy life here,we are all CHINESE people,no one doubt about this.

yesterday I asked the tibetan girl ,who want to gain independence from our country? She answered ,a dalailama who is living abroad..And I asked why he do that?She answered:'I don't know!' I fact ,most of the tibetans don't know why .she said it sounds crazy and stupid that you guys call me foreigner then.

 

Here are all I want to say to someone like Bjork,if you know nothing about the truth,plz keep quiet!!! 

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