English Forums

Fitna, a film by Dutch MP Geert Wilders about Islam and the Koran was released to the website Liveleak a few days ago. 

The video was removed one day later because of threats to the owners and employees of the website.

However it can still be viewed at other sites like wikileaks. If this link does not work, you should be able to locate it easily with a quick Google search. It is also available for download via bitTorrent.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Fitna_anti-islam_movie_by_Geert_Wilders 

It is less than 17 minutes long.

Have you seen it yet?  What are your thoughts 

I got it. I also got 'Obsession' and 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know'. Will let you know what I think when I've watched them.

I don't have Obsession. But I do have the other.

What about Submission? 

I’ve read about it at length, but it’s hard to find indeed. Once I’m on fast internet again, I hope to grab a torrent.

Certainly don't use a website called 'torrent finder' where you can find torrents for those films easily. (Torrents are usually illegal!)

I'll check out Submission. Looking forward to an Islamic trilogy this evening!

I can not get the hang of it why some people enjoy watching these sort of films insulting İslam and the Qur'an.I also wonder why İslam disturbes people more than they hoped.I'm aware of that İslam has been shown as the source of evil and terrorism after 9/11 attacks to the USA.To my mind,we ought to seek the fitna in people's mentalities seeing that İslam and the Qur'an must be blamed due to whole evil and violence.I invite people thinking of like that to have a bit common sense.

You've seen the films then?

To be honest with you, dignified, my negative feelings about Islam have been heightened since joining Ebaby! and reading what Muslims here write. I thought the extremists were a tiny minority. Seems I was wrong about that.

You know dignified, what will happen to moslem – even before they try to do something. ..............You get it,......... that's what we call Anti Islam.  Your Islam make you loose your right for living proverly, you become an object … not longer a subject anymore … You have no right for silence. ....You have no right for living in harmony ….You have no right for implemantation your choice….You  h a v e    N o   P o w e r ….

I  JUST  KIDDING,   just  keep  in  peace and try to life peace in where ever you live. Your religion are too perfect that not everyone can achieve that without learn it first, so  i hope you are not surprise if someone will become a moslem after doing bad to this religion.   No body knows the future, but onething is sure will happend  .........The Glory era of Islam.

Y o u     just     s i t      or    doing something   -  i t   w i l l    b e.

ok

really iwanna say something  that must be so bold for all people having douts about Islam,,,,,,,, at first iwanna say an example : if iam an engineer , can i make an operation for apatient? ofcourse no i can not do that ,, you know why ?? because iam an engineer not adoctor ,,,,,,,,,, thats the same ,,,,,,, no one can explain Qura'n if  he does not know anything about it ,,,,,,,,, i heard about that film in the newspapers and really ithink it shows the fear of anti Islam people,,,, but really i do not know why all of that fear That man and for sure doesnot know any thing about the Islamic religion ,,,, you know why??? because he is full of hatred so he cannot see what is right or what is wrong?

And finally ,,,,, Markchina ithink you are full of hatred towards Muslims and really if you wanna discuss seriously come on and talk with me on messenger and we will see wheather you are rightr or wrong

salam

doctoraly.

Wathcing films like that is one way of learning about Islam. I think more points of view are required than simply the writings or films of practicing muslims.

Why do you automatically assume that those critical of Islam don't know anything about it. I will freely admit my lack of knowledge, however I am learning more, but from different sources. However there have been several critical voices in this forum who have demonstrated knowledge of the religion and of the Koran, one of them a former practicing muslim. 

One of the films I mentioned, Submission, was written by a former practicing muslim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is currently in hiding and being protected by Dutch security because of threats against her because her film dared to be critical of the treatment of women in Islam. The director of the film, Theo Van Gogh, was murdered by a muslim extremist  a few months after the film was first broadcast

“Certainly don’t use a website called ‘torrent finder’ where you can find torrents for those films easily.”




OK, I certainly won’t. I’ll just use the pirate bay:




http://thepiratebay.org/search/Fitna/




Because pirates are awesome.




“To be honest with you, dignified, my negative feelings about Islam have been heightened since joining Ebaby! and reading what Muslims here write. I thought the extremists were a tiny minority. Seems I was wrong about that.”




Ditto. Actually, before joining this site and reading and arguing with the Muslims here, I had very nearly positive views on Islam (even after 9-11)- the Muslims I’ve known and have been friends with have all been really mellow.




I see now that this was just because they were in a minority.




Minorities tend to be nicer people than the majority no matter where you go because they have to face discrimination, and they have so many conflicting messages that they tend to be a bit more laid back.




That sense of mellowness (now lost) was also combined with the respect I had reading the writings of Muslims who argue with Christian apologists- man do they know how to beat down faulty Christian logic.




I see now that they’re all hypocrites of the worst kind that use the same logic bombs they will dismantle moments before when others use them.




Clearly, the bulk of the Islamic world is as bad as or worse than isolated Southern Baptists in the states.




It’s very sad. And here I had this romantic vision of Islamic tolerance and scientific progress during the dark ages of Christianity- completely ruined by the reality of Muslim ignorance today.




Do they even realize that they have destroyed their own cultures with their fundamentalism? Muslims have become non-people through dogma… it’s sad.




It’s at least as mortifying as the Roman empire being degraded by Christianity.