English Forums

Friends,

My conscious doesn't allow me to join any of the religion because

1.Every relgion tells us to 'beleive'... no religion allow us to see with our own eyes.. stories are told how the universe was created,how the human was created .. all seems to be fitions just…

2.Every religion says that their scrptures are pure… they are as they were not corrupted… I feel that religion should be alive there should be provision to amend the religion… only alive things grow… any thing which don't grow is dead… & religion shouldn't be a dead thing…

3.We can interpret the scriptures as we like…scriptures don't say when we misinterpret any word.. so all depends upon interpreter…

4.Every religion says that his words are final revealation… many religions born after every final revealation…. I feel we can't predict future… there might be coming other Gods…other religions… how can we say that these are the final words..

5.Every religion tells us the way how to live life…. I feel every one has his own individuality & has the right to live his life as he likes…& every one lives according to his own ideas even after joining any of the religion… so religion becomes 'just a piece of decoration'... that's why there are so many problems… religion doesn't solve any problem… had religion the capacity to solve problems the problems would have been solved up to now… there are countries where people of only one religion lived… but there are differences too… so religion becomes just a piece of decoration….

6.Evry religion tells us to love & respect otheres… & every one on this earth has this or that religion but see the situation of our planet… justa land of haterednesss.. just groupism to fight with each other… If this is our religion we need to take care of us & we should keep away from the religions.. they are very dangerous…

7.We can't deny existence… It is full of mysteries… no science.. can explain …all explanations are just words of consolation… we can't express even the  taste of water .. which every human consumes every day… what to talk of other mysteries… I feel that… to be existential is the only religiousness… Live God… live existence… share with all… celebrate LIFE itself… celebrate living God.. share with alive humans… share with alive animals… be loving… be respectful to every individual… be kind to everyone… I feel this should be our religion… relgiouness is to followed not religions…..

Thanks   

Hi Dev,when I was young,I read stories of Bible,books on Christianism,Catholicism,Buddhism,Taoism,Islamism,but I did not  "join" any one.I admit that any religion has its value,but everyone should be free to decide what to believe or think.You can think freely,but you must do things under the law,that's the basic rule on the nowaday world,is it right?

The stance you speak of is deism, and it can be quite respectable.

Thank you for the post. 

.Every religion tells us the way how to live life…. I feel every one has his own individuality & has the right to live his life as he likes…& every one lives according to his own ideas even after joining any of the religion… so religion becomes ‘just a piece of decoration’... that’s why there are so many problems… religion doesn’t solve any problem… had religion the capacity to solve problems the problems would have been solved up to now… there are countries where people of only one religion lived… but there are differences too… so religion becomes just a piece of decoration…
6.Evry religion tells us to love & respect otheres… & every one on this earth has this or that religion but see the situation of our planet… justa land of haterednesss.. just groupism to fight with each other… If this is our religion we need to take care of us & we should keep away from the religions.. they are very dangerous…
This is a big misconception about religion’s role in the human life. Religion cannot change everybody since everybody doesn’t want to change themselves, and apply the love and respect religions avidly teach. And religion(I am actually implying the principle of my religion which I am greatly aware of) is not promising to solve your problems at the moment of conversion, you need to apply the principles taught to make a difference your life. Also, religion does not promise to eliminate problems but will give you strength and hope to face your troubles head on.

lets go back to the beginning of religion in the west

1. judaism-the oldest, and the most private. it is technically a "family religion" as new members are rarely welcome, as least during the old days. and since is it rather secluded, i know very little about this religion other than rabbis and barmizva.

2. christianity

the daughter of judaism. jesus was a jew. nobody truly know what happened back then since there is limited primary documents on such. the bible was invented along with the religion,  hundreds of years after his death. the romans saw this as an opportunity for hegemony (controlling people by thought) to create social order. so then the bible was re-written and re-transliterated into something that helps the government to control its people (catholicism). until the renaissance and enlightenment era, science took over dogmatic beliefs and created a new world order. the religion still exists widely as the second largest (in population) religion, but there is much less influence now than before.

jesus originally started a community of this to bringabout peace and harmony between his people like all religions wanted. but things do get out of hand. 

a note of this goes to USA. as far as religions go, north americans are about as conservative as people can get.  people still learn "god created people" as the ONLY knowledge in schools even in a scientific world. although there is no COMPLETE set of proofs for the Darwinian "theory of evolution", but personally i think teaching both should do no harm on either side.

and what i hate is, those who go into this religion to become a "whiteman" and abandon their original culture. tis sickening.

3. islam 

a late comer, being only several hundred years old. the illiterate mohammed saw the god, Allah, and was provided with knowledge of Islam. the islamic "bible", the Qu'ran, was then written by mohammed himself.

allah was said to exists as the single god (monotheistic) and existed in all forms, at all spaces. of course, this religion was also one that was meant to bring peace for all its believers, but many terrorists exist within this religion for various reasons, such as being forced into wars and being disrespected based on religious beliefs.

overall, nobody wants to die, under normal circumstances. so peace is a common goal between all people. what truly gets in the way is "greed" in most cases.

there will be a more well-thought version of this later on. it's 2 am and i need to sleep. 

"1. judaism-the oldest,"

Bwah?  No.  "Pagan" religion is far older in the West. 

Judaism also likely came from Egypt, evolving from Akhnaten's sun god.

LINK  Moses and Akhenaten

"it is technically a "family religion" as new members are rarely welcome, as least during the old days."

There are provisions for this, though some people were forbidden.

"jesus was a jew. nobody truly know what happened back then since there is limited primary documents on such."

In addition to not knowing if he existed, yes.

"the bible was invented along with the religion,  hundreds of years after his death."

Well, most if it was based on Saul of Tarsus, which was a bit sooner after his supposed death (if he existed), but the guy never met 'Jesus'.

"jesus originally started a community of this to bringabout peace and harmony between his people like all religions wanted. but things do get out of hand."

From what we can tell, if he existed he was a side show magician causing dissent in the Church- not peace and harmony. 

"people still learn "god created people" as the ONLY knowledge in schools even in a scientific world."

No they don't- not in the states.  Some of the conservative school boards are trying to teach "Intelligent design", but that is a religious teaching and against the constitution (and the supreme court repeatedly rules).

"although there is no COMPLETE set of proofs for the Darwinian "theory of evolution",

Are you off your rocker?  There's more proof of evolution than of gravity.  Clearly you aren't up with modern science.

Read this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html 

"but personally i think teaching both should do no harm on either side."

Aside from it being religion with absolutely no evidence taught in schools, which is against the constitution, it is also highly anti-educational.

Which god do you want them to teach created the world?  We have better evidence of evolution than of the Earth being round- so naturally we should also teach the "theory" that the Earth is flat?  Also alchemy, and astrology, right?

Children have a limited amount of time in class rooms- if you agree with injecting lies into the public education system, you're pushing out proper education. 

What we aught to be teaching are the logical impossibilities implicit in the very notion of a god.  It certainly couldn't have created humanity, because it certainly doesn't exist.  End of debate. 

Islam is only slightly younger than Christianity.  By "several hundred" do you mean "well over a thousand"?

"the illiterate mohammed… written by mohammed himself."

Now that is a miracle- an illiterate man writing.  Fact check please.

"of course, this religion was also one that was meant to bring peace for all its believers"

It was meant to bring unity, not necessarily peace- although unity can produce peace in some cases.  The religious method is faulty, though.

my frend divendernagpal..

well , you have to read all divine books the after you reading and absorbing(know) all books well

ask your self

which book you can find  almost all find of your qoustion?

any book if you belive it will make the world   safer?

any book respect the right of others  .. And the equality of human beings?

remembr you must ask this topic of qoustion after you reading all  divine books and undrstanding it well

Hi my old friend Dev,after I read your another post"Why all religion interfere with marriage?"I got the answer for your question here,you hate to get a marriage,so you do not want to join any religion,right?

bravo Devin, goodluck for you, finally you have a decission, i know you just finishing a long journey and now i think you can life better.

I just want you to keep talk for offers your idea and your suggest.

wow thank you for clearing all that up friend…

ok, now i feel really bad about the previous under-researched thread. i've heard of probably too many things and didnt really consider the validity of many of them (such as that usa thing). if possible, can a mod or admin delete the previous post?