question about Jewish's roots

first: this thread is not created to justify Israel's actions in Gaza!

because of it if You want to share your angry,hate,distress or sympathy to one of the sides of this conflict please,please,please live this thread now before You read it.i have created this thread only to take some knowledge about Jewish history.


because I found many opinions like bellow i started to think about Jewish's roots.

Hakimi
May question also is what was this land call before established Israel state 1948..?

Lilimira
what i'm sure about is that israel is an intruder and a country created on a religious and a fanatic idea

Zeus2006
They wanted to create a new Country in Palastain

I have some knowledge from school but unfortunatelly not too reach… I remeber for example that i was learning about aliyahs.
Aliyah – return of the Jewish People from the exile in the Diaspora back to the Land of Israel.

So I started to think why all on this forum are writing that Israelians are intruders on this lands??? Did I missed something?

my first thaught was: "of course I have had to missed something – i have always been weak in history…"

second thaught: "so why Jewish was returning exactly to this land during each one aliyah? why they didn't returned for example to Kamchatka, Greenland or Australia?!?"

third thaught: "zionist must be based on local legend, Jewish must be only religion not ethnical group with their homeland"

fourth thaught: "lets check it out"

So, first of course I took the book, secondly I read wiki pages after that I made phone call to my brother in low which has studied history and is absolute guru for me in such subjects.

All three sourcess confirmed my so far knowledge. I will copy/paste  it from wiki because it is much faster than I create it myself. but it accords with all three sources which I checked out.

The origin of the Jews is traditionally dated to around the second millennium BCE to the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Merneptah Stele, dated to 1200 BCE, is one of the earliest archaeological records of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where Judaism, possibly the first monotheistic religion, developed over a period of thousands of years.

In 970 BCE, David's son Solomon became king of Israel

In 722 BCE the Assyrians conquered the Kingdom of Israel and exiled its Jews, starting a Jewish diaspora.

Defeats suffered by the Jews in the First revolt in 70 CE, the first of the Jewish-Roman Wars and the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE notably contributed to the numbers and geography of the diaspora population

etc.etc.etc.

so my questions are:

are Jewish ethnical group / nation?
if yes, where are their homeland – their roots?

I hope that there are here some historican, ethnologist or some other expert in this subject which could answer my question.


tom

Hi Tom,

Do we have to go into the history so deep? If every nation begins to seek its roots we have to redivide the whole world. :)

I'm not a specialist in history and I use Wikipedia as well as you then let me merely repeat briefly I have read there about Palestine, Israel and Jews.

For the period of about 2000 years the Palestinian territory was under the rule of Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks anyone but not Jews. Pretty long period, isn't it? So I very doubt about Jew's rights to this land.

At the beginning of 20th century the percentage of Jewish population of Palestine was about 10% only. After partitioning of the Ottoman Empire the Palestine fell into the British sphere of interests and UK obtained the mandate for Palestine. In the period of British rule the Jewish population increased up to 33%, up from 10%, as the British Government was favourable to the establishment in Palestine so-called “the national home” for Jewish people (This, as I see, is a key moment. Just the British appearance started the realization of the Zionist ideas.) The British, appealing to the terms of the Mandate, which they had designed themselves, rejected the principle of majority rule or any other measure that would give an Arab majority control over the government of Palestine. In 1947 UK withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews. (At first, UK had created the situation and then withdrew to shift the blame to someone else.) And the newly created UN (that's it the “someone else”) approved a plan to resolve the Arab-Jewish conflict by partitioning territory into separate states. In 1948, the Jewish Agency proclaimed independence of Israel. The following day the war began. During that war about 80% of previous Arab population left Israel. At the same time the same amount of Jewish people from Arab countries migrated into Israel. Interesting thing, in the Russian version of Wikipedia said that Arabs left their homes of their own will to settle on the territories allocated for Arabs according to UN plan when the Jews were exiled. Thus, we can see that Israel is the artificial state. It was created in compliance with the some other states' wishes within about the thirty years. 

Is it possible to establish the Jewish sate in the territory where Jewish  people constituted only 10th part of the population? Is it possible to win the war against five Arabian states? Who supports Jews? No doubt, their god. 

Hi Hakimi,
>Palestinians are Canaanites and canaanites's
>root from Yemen ..Canaanites are part of Arabs
>and they are origin of Arabs

seems that Canaanities has lived long,long before Arab race has emerged.
so Arabs may be part of Canaanities (not vice versa).

Hi Lilimira,
>i also want to know is judaism a religion or a race?
>they are a closed community

look what I found, I will try to search in scientific articles also.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Genetic_studies_of_DNA


Ello Konstka

>Do we have to go into the history so deep?
I agree very rare with problem simplification.
I'm always going deeply&widely as it is possible – such scientific nature or something.

For example if you look at communism shallowly&tightly it is possible that you even starts to advocating it. ( just kidding)


>If every nation begins to seek its roots we
>have to redivide the whole world. :)
>So I very doubt about Jew's rights to this land.

But I don't want to redivide anything here & I don't want to settle here who has rights to this lands.

I just want to learn some history of this lands & ppl who has lived there or are living  now.

because of it thanks alot for your sharing. Your compact brief has shown another point which I could explore.

>he British Government was favourable to the establishment
>in Palestine so-called “the national home” for Jewish people  
>(This, as I see, is a key moment

I'm reading (in free time – not too much) about this subject but unfortunatelly did'nt noticed this fact. maybe it is realy key moment… but look at all Aliyahs shedule. Jews started immmigrate to palestine much earlier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah). So, I think that with or withaut british government help history of Jews looked the same. (sory here about conditionals…bue)  

>Who supports Jews? No doubt, their god. 

Yes, no doubt…

 tom