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Prophet Muhammad in Bible Old Testament
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07:04 AM Jun 29 2009 | Reply |
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The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157: "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel". Prophet Muhammad, prophesised in the Book of Deuteronomy: Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet. If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets. However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh). Words in the mouth: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim. "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." [Deuteronomy 18:18] Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36). Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18). It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19 Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – "Read", he replied, "I am not learned". Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present. |
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07:33 AM Jun 29 2009 | Reply |
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Yeahhh, we don't have to hide the true, even we don't like it. Prophet mohamed was expected and metioned in the Judaism and Christianity.
because mission of the prophet Moses and Jesus was limited for group of people and time, but prophet Mohamed was sent to all mankind, for all times, and in all places.
I hope that believers get thr true way, not because that is in our interests, but for them, and for their next life.
because in the judgement day, it wouldn't be acceptible only Islam as a religion.
we're doing our role, and we transmit the messenge for all people, and they look for the true and choose.
Our mission stop in telling the true and transmit it, and the result if from the God. |
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09:06 AM Jun 29 2009 | Reply |
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09:07 AM Jun 29 2009 | Reply |
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Is Mohammed Mentioned in Song of Songs?"He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a G-d of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."Deuteronomy 32:4 (KJV) Claim: Mohammed Is Mentioned In Song of Songs Another claim is made that in the book Song of Songs (Also called Song of Solomon), the coming of Mohammed is prophesied. The verse in question (translation is the author's) is as follows: Song of Songs 5:16 His mouth is most sweet; and he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. The assertion is that chapter 5 is a prophecy of a prophet yet to come. But, if we take a look at a transliteration of the Hebrew text we will see what the real principle of the matter is: Chiku mamtakim v'khulo machamadim zeh dodi v'zeh re'i b'not yerushalayim. If you look at the word "machamadim" we can start to see the issue. Mohammed is a name that comes from the Hebrew root of "lovely" or "cute" or "desirable" and as such, Muslims try to use the word "lovely" in each instance to refer to Mohammed. These Muslims are making it so we can't use our own language without it somehow being a prophecy. But That's Not The Word!The word used is machamadim, the plural form of machamad. If we follow the Muslim way of translating this sentence, we would produce the following: His mouth is most sweet; and he is altogether Mohammeds. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. It doesn't make any sense. ConclusionOne who asserts that Mohammed is mentioned in the Song of Songs ignores the most simple reading of the text and has probably never even looked at the Hebrew of the text. http://www.messiahtruth.com/songs.html |
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Claim: The Torah Itself Predicts Mohammed as a ProphetMany Muslims will claim that the Torah itself (apparently the "uncorrupted" part) predicts the coming of their so-called prophet some time after the giving of the Torah. All Bible translations are directly from the Hebrew, all of them literal.Where Did They Get That Idea?The relevant verse of the Torah is as follows:Deuteronomy 18:18 A prophet I will raise up for them from amongst their brethren like you and I will give my words into his lips and he will speak about them all that I command him. We must ask the following: who is "I", who is "you", who is "them/their"? "I" is G-d, "you" is Moses, "them/their" refers to the Israelites. So a paraphrase could be: G-d will raise up for the Israelites a prophet from the Israelites' brethren some time in the future that will be like Moses and speak the words of G-d. Having established that, what's the connection? The assertion is that "from amongst their brethren" refers to the Ishmaelites, and as Muslims assert many times, Mohammed is descended from Abraham through Ishmael. In order to properly analyze this, I will not make a table comparing Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, as many do on both Christian and Muslim websites in order to pervert the meaning of this verse. Instead, I will make a minor sidestep into the world of Jewish thought. For those of us that do not have the presumption that the Torah is wrong and faulty, there is a list of thirteen basic rules on how to deduce meaning from the Torah. They are provided as the introduction to Sifre, and are recited in the preliminary portion of the daily morning prayers. Just as in the Torah where there are laws that are obviously "just" and those that we cannot comprehend, a parallel applies here. Some rules make sense, and others are assertions of rules. I will make use of two rules that make a good deal of sense. Rule number 2 states quite simply "mig'zerah shavah" which means "From a decree of equality". Rule number 12 is that "davar halamed m'inyano, v'davar halamed m'sofo" which is often translated like "An item is taught/clarified from it's context, or from nearby verses." Why these two rules? Rule number 2 tells us that if we have a word in one location that is vague, and the same word elsewhere more clear, we can use one to clarify the other. The reason for the second rule will be evident shortly. The RebuttalJust a chapter back, in Deuteronomy 17, we find a similar phrase, but the voice is different. This time Moses is delivering a message from G-d directly to the Israelites, speaking to the Israelites as a single group, instead of us hearing what G-d says to Moses. Deuteronomy 17:15 You shall put (appoint) upon yourself a king that G-d will pick him; from amongst your brethren you shall appoint a king; you will not be able to give upon yourself a foreign man that is not your brother. This verse, just a chapter behind the verse about the prophet is quite explicit. It uses the phrase "amongst (their/your) brethren" and then clarifies that a foreigner, which is definitely a non-Israelite, is not the Israelite's brother. For further explicitness of the term foreigner, let's turn to Exodus 12. Exodus 12:43 And G-d said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover offering, every son of a foreigner shall not eat of it. ConclusionSince we can now see that a foreigner does not take part of something as central as the Passover celebration, which is incumbant on all Israelite males when the Temple stands, we can see that a foreigner is simply a non-Israelite, and it doesn't matter their genealogy.That being said, we have also shown that a foreigner is someone who is not from "amongst the brethren" of the Israelites. This being said, it is an incredible leap of both faith and logic to assume that Mohammed the Ishmaelite is predicted by the Torah as coming as a new prophet of a new religion for the Jews. http://www.messiahtruth.com/islam18.html |
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09:08 AM Jun 29 2009 | Reply |
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It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
It probably helps to look at the rest of the passage, which is clearly an allegory for the way prophesy is transmitted, not a literal description of what is going to happen: 'To you all the true prophecy is like the words of a sealed document, which one gives to a literate person, saying, 'Please read this', and he says, 'I cannot, for it is sealed'. Then the document is given to an illiterate person, saying ' Please read this'. and he says 'I am not literate'. (Isaiah 29:11-12)
The other thing one has to ask is: If the Muslims believe that the holy books are corrupted, how is it that somehow, these tiny details inside these 'corrupted' books are apparently proof of Mohammed? And if these parts were uncorrupted, telling of his coming, why would he have needed to come to clarify anything at all? |
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07:01 AM Jul 02 2009 | Reply |
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More than fourteen centuries have passed since the prophet of Arabia made claim to being the last and final 'messenger and slave' of Allah. Yet the intensity of discussion amongst scholars from all religions seems to have increased over the years and gained in volocity in the last few years more so than ever before. Who was this man? What do his followers believe about him? How can others understand their undying devotion to his mission? What do the scholars tell us about this man, Muhammad, peace be upon him, and his 'message' to the world? For more than fourteen centuries scholars from Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been discussing whether or not the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, could have indeed, been a true prophet from Almighty God. Was he the long awaited 'Messiah' the Jews have been waiting for so many centuries? Was he the one prophesied in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah, calling in the wilderness Was he 'That Prophet' mentioned in the New Testament Gospel of John? We would like to share some of the findings of these scholars from their own sources and invite the reader to consider these evidences. The most recent claim of revelation coming from the God of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus, peace be upon them, is the claim of Muhammad, peace be upon him, regarding the Quran. The Quran makes the claim, Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the 'slave and messenger' of Almighty God. But more importantly pertaining to our subject at hand, the Quran makes the claim that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is mentioned by name in the previous revelations (meaning the Bible). Can this claim be substantiated? Let us begin by examining the statement in the Quran contained in the 61st chapter (As-Saff [the ranks]), verse 6: 61:6 Please take notice of the name mentioned, 'Ahmad'. This is one of the most common of several names given to the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, by his own people. Now let us turn to the Old Testament (Torah of the Jews) and notice the book called Songs of Solomon, chapter 5, verse 16: His mouth is very sweet; (makhmaddim, “desirable”) is the plural form of the noun (makhmad, “desire, desirable thing, precious object”; (see below note #33) It is asserted that this word "Makhmaddim" is in reality the word "Akhmad" or "AHmad". The reason for the emphasis on the "kh" sound is to prounouce the very hard "H" sound of the two types of "h" in the Semetic languages. There is a word used in a passage of the New Testament of the Bible, located in the Gospel of John, chapter 14, verse 16, that many Muslim scholars refer to as pointing to the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Let us review it and then observe what non-Muslim scholars comment about it. 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey34 my commandments.35 14:16 Then36 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate37 to be with you forever— 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept,38 because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides39 with you and will be40 in you. |
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07:02 AM Jul 02 2009 | Reply |
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Old Testament Song of Solomon 5:16 note 33tn The term (makhmaddim, “desirable”) is the plural form of the noun dmj=m (makhmad, “desire, desirable thing, precious object”; HALOT 570 s.v. 1; BDB 326 s.v.). Like the plural (“sweetness”) in the preceding parallel line, this use of the plural is probably an example of the plural of intensity: “very desirable.” 34tn Or “will keep.”
When one considers what the author would have written, the future is on much stronger ground. The immediate context (both in 14:16 and in the chapter as a whole) points to the future, and the theology of the book regards the advent of the Spirit as a decidedly future event (see, e.g., 7:39 and 16:7). The present tense could have arisen from an error of sight on the part of some scribes or more likely from an error of thought as scribes reflected upon the present role of the Spirit. Although a decision is difficult, the future tense is most likely authentic. For further discussion on this textual problem, see James M. Hamilton, Jr., “He Is with You and He Will Be in You” (Ph.D. diss., The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, 2003), 213-20. |
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07:39 AM Jul 02 2009 | Reply |
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Guest125: maybe you are a muslim from India I wonder if you can answer me something is it true that Mohamed(SAW) is prophesied in the Veda ? I heard and read many times about that.
sorry for the interruption of the subject |
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10:51 AM Jul 02 2009 | Reply |
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"Now let us turn to the Old Testament (Torah of the Jews) and notice the book called Songs of Solomon, chapter 5, verse 16:" The Torah is comprised of the Five Books of Moses. The Songs of Solomon is not apart of the Torah. Do the writers of these things you people copy and paste even know what they're talking about?
"For more than fourteen centuries scholars from Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been discussing whether or not the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, could have indeed, been a true prophet from Almighty God." Not really. I think Jews and Christians both reject him as a false prophet.
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11:15 AM Jul 02 2009 | Reply |
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is it true that Mohamed(SAW) is prophesied in the Veda ? some one will obviously claim that. there is a post on that as well. http://www.englishbaby.com/forum/LifeTalk/thread/257171
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