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peace in middle east ??????? !!!!!!!!!!!

sali11

sali11

Algeria

 is there peace in middle east , it will be peace in middle east ?

i wonder ?????

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02:29 PM May 27 2009 |

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fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

"It's not possible to have two countries in this land."

You may be right there.

 

That's a nice map, which date is it from? I don't remember there ever having been a country called Palestine anywhere, at any time on any map. 

But apparently we're supposed to believe that there was a State called Palestine that the Zionists destroyed and occupied.

 

This thread isn't for crocodile tears and self-victimization for Gaza and Hamas.

05:23 PM May 28 2009 |

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

 

"the map shows that this piece of land is an arab land, and the zionists are not from this region, and they're occupiers like others, they were brought with UK empire, to be planted in our region, and it will be thrown out like we throw all our occupiers."

It shows a province. Not a country.

At one point it was apart of Egypt, then apart of Jordan, the Arab claims change each time a major event occurs.

A province were many different people lived, Jews, Arabs, Armenians…. The area of ancient Israel first and foremost.

The UK brought noone. Jews made their way to there on their own. If anything, the UK tried to stop Jews from coming.

 

 

"Whe it comes this day, the Zionists will run aways like cowars crying, and we will go into our lands like brave winners."

You've got it all figured out, haven't you?

So when does the revolution begin? Perhaps when the Arabs have the balls to attack Israel head on?

Given the track record, it isn't the Zionists that have been running away like babies.

 

"Zionism, Nazism and Fascism loose, because they're criminales against the humanity and rights of life"

No thanks to the Arabs, who were on the side of Hitler during WW2.

 

"Israel is here, between our hands, it has no place to go, and we're everywhere around it, So Israel wait."

Yes, you're right. Israel has no other place to go, just as Jews have no other place to go. It's the Jewish homeland, where Jews were always meant to live and Israel is not going to give it up, nomatter how many rockets the Arabs fire and how many suicide bombers they send.

 

"We're coming Back."

The Arab invaders are not coming back and your hot air is a waste of time.

Only one of us can be right.

10:02 PM May 28 2009 |

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

"If you want to say that there is no Palestine, it's better to say that there is not Jordan, not Yeman, No syria, no Lebanon, all those are one thing, one land, one country."

At the time of Israel's creation these were all independant sovereing States. Palestine was not. It was land that the Arabs claimed among themselves, not to create an independant country known as Palestine.

To top this all off, the parts of the province that did not fall under Israeli rule, Egypt (Gaza) and Jordan (West Bank) occupied. Not once in these almost 20 years of occupation was there ever any declaration of a Palestinian state, provisional or otherwise.

 

"Palestinians are one people, and it's like any other land and people, an arabic land."

The Palestinian are just random Arabs, thanks for admitting it.

 

 "Belfort was from UK, and UK occupied palestine only to prepere it from the Zionists to come, because withou that, the zionists can't go to palestine."

Yes, but at the same time there was little definite action when it came to the Balfor declaration. The UK said 'yes' but offered no concrete steps and as things beceme more complicated with the Arabs they stopped Jewish immigration.

 

"Without UK, was impossible for the zionist to come there."

I'm sorry, but Zionist immigration started in the 19th century, way before the UK was in control of the province.  The UK was merely the inheritor of a situation that was already evolving.

 

"We died on the ground, and we didn't give up, and we didn't run away like your soldiers, who fight from a long distance and cry when someone die."

Rockets are generally fired from a distance. The Palestinians  only started crying out to the world when the Israelis came up close.

Yes, Israel puts a high value on the lives of its citizens. It's almost like a national tragedy when a soldier dies.

Unlike for the Arabs, life isn't cheap and they don't just throw people to die.

 

"Didn't Sharon tell you when he fought against the Algerian army, how he run way injured crying like baby."

When did Sharon fight against the Algerian army?

 

"We have brave men, and you have coward troops, hide under machines and planes."

The Arabs pick fights that they can't win then call those with better weapons and training 'cowards'. Tant pis.

 

"most of Arabs were under the occupation, and have no power."

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler several times.

There were massive uprisings in Iraq and other places in favour of the Axis during the war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11:42 PM May 28 2009 |

chunyt

chunyt

China

it is difficult

05:13 AM May 29 2009 |

Devil4444

Devil4444

China

I sincerely hope there will be peace in Middle east

06:02 AM May 29 2009 |

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

"can a people under the occupation declare its independence ???"

The occupation I was referring to was the occupation by Egypt and Jordan. There was no declaration in favour of a Palestinian state then, when they were still under Arab control. Why?

Because there as no will for it because there is NO such people or such identity.

 

"the Zionists have no prove, and has no history and no civilization, only ullissions and lies."

Let's put this back to the right territory:

Jews lived there before the Arabs did. Jews built up cities and kingdoms in the land. Jews and Judaism and the Hebrew language all come from the land.

And you're telling me now, that its all a huge lie? That historians are wrong, linguists are wrong, geniticists, sociologists… etc etc 

They're all wrong just because you want it to be true that the Arabs were the only people that ever lived there?

 

"you talk about ADN, can ADN prove that the jews of Newdays lived in Palestine, sure no, the ADN can't prove that."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi#DNA_clues

Apart from genetics, languages and customs that are all from the Middle East speak for themselves. Jews did not just pop out of nowhere.

 

"It allowed the jews to create troops and carry guns and all kinds weapens, against the Arabs, who were not able or allowed to have any kind of weapens or guns, even the knif were forbidden for them, all that to allow the Zionist to prepere themselvves and steal palestine."

The people that were armed and caused riots were the Arabs, not the Jews. Jews merely defended themselves against Arab gangs:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Safed_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

 

You calling Zionists the murderers is the joke of the century.

 

 

"we don't know something called cry, we know fight and die ffor our lands, and that is must, and deserve all our lives."

The only fighters that the Palestinians have, are terrorists that hide behind their women and children while targeting women and children.

 

"the live in Islam is holly, and all have to respect it and keep it, but when our lands are occupied, and our peole are killed by others, we have to give everthing we have for our people and land, and all our lives is for our people and land, however this people live, in chichan or palestine to indunissia, because our one people and one nation,"

A religion that promises a harem of virgins to people that kill and die for the faith, hints otherwise.

Oh Chechnya now? 

Does Chechnya belong to the Arabs as well?

If you're 'one people' and 'one nation' then form a country, and take the Arabs with you.

 

"he fought against us in the war of 1973, and he was injured and run aways after being failled against our troops."

The Yom Kippur War did not involve the Algerians. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Even so, Israel won (again).

 

"in the wars of 1967 and 1973, the arabs didn't only fight against Israel, but also against Israel and USA, because USA was giving everything to Israel, direct from USA to ISrael in those wars."

The Arabs built up and massed their armies along the border with Israel.

No American forces fought on the side of Israel. Yes they received military aid and equipment.

Just as Syria and Egypt received all their equipment from the Soviet Union. 

 

"About win, the win is coming, that is not our question now, because we're sure of that, but we think the way of that."

You're fooling yourself, not me.

 

"Israel is not a house of spider, we have only to strick by one hand, only to disapear this cancer."

It's ideas like this that have led the Arabs to 1948, 1967 and 1973.

They're free to try against if their animal drives get the better of them.

 

"Arabs didn't attack jews during the WW2."

The uprisings in Iraq in favour of the Axis killed a good number of Jews as well.

The riots against Jews in Palestine speaks for itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

03:13 AM May 31 2009 |

sali11

sali11

Algeria

fabs you justify what israel did , killing peaple, destroy building , the war on gaza recently all the world were agains israel and what the armies did as crimes , i think expect you ???!!!!!!!

netanyahu the enemmy of peace said :

"We would like to extend peace first of all with our Palestinian neighbours. We would like Israel and the Palestinians to live with prospects of peace, security and prosperity. The three things go together and not one at the expense of the other."  yes peace that  what we see a love story between palastinians and israel

11:23 AM May 31 2009 |

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

That's a very nice article, well developed, with maps to show.

But it's a moot point. You're not defending the right of the Canaanites to return. 

 The Palestinians are in no way descended from the Ancient Canaanite tribes. The Palestinians settled in the land with the Muslim conquests of the land in the 6th century.

So please concentrate on something that is relevant.

03:16 PM May 31 2009 |

fabs1

fabs1

United Kingdom

"Here, we're talking about the war of 1973, and sharon took part of it, and the algerian army was in Egypt, and sharon went to attack our army, and we made a plan, and sharon lost most of his troops, 900killed and 190 destroyed truck, and Sharon run away crying, because he thought that he can bite the Algerian easily, because we don't have good weapens, but he made a mistake, and we bite it and we nearly caught him, but he could run away."

I think this is probably one of those nationalist stories they probably tell you at school over there. Just like they probably teach you that Algerian soliders single-handedly one WW2 because they had some volunteers fighting for the French.

I think the story is false as the Algerians were not at all involved in the Yom Kippur War. You had best check over your facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Aid_to_Egypt_and_Syria

"The Algerian armored brigade of nearly 200 tanks arrived on the front on October 24, and hence did not participate in the fighting. The Sudanese brigade also made a late appearance, arriving on October 28, again too late to participate in the war. Nearly all Arab reinforcements came with no logistical plan or support, expecting their hosts to supply them, and in several cases causing logistical problems. In the Syrian front, a lack of coordination between Arab forces led to several instances of friendly fire.[1][99]"

 

 

"the conclusion, Arabs didn't fight only against Israel in the war of 1973, but also against USA troops and support."

Howabout instead of claiming some random things, you provide some sources.

The USA sent equipment and supplies to Israel but did not take part in any of the fighting. Anywhere.

Check over your info and read up some information on the subject.

 

"We didn't declare the palestine as a country, because we're fighting to get back what was stolen, and make everything one land, not half occupied and half not."

There was no such declared intention at all if that was it.  You're looking back at history with today's political policies.

There was no plan by these Arab states to create a Palestinian state and had they won, they would have just divided the land amongst themselves.

 

"A group of Pigs and monkies living in a land ??"

Islamic 'tolerance' at its finest.

 

"You always try to find something, to deny the existance of palestinian people, and try to say that there is not people."

The only reason why they're recognized now is because its a popular slogan for peace, and because the Palestinians now call themselves that.

No historian talks about Palestinians history, or sociologist talks about Palestinian identity because its a new product.

 

"they don't have, every group of Jews have special culture, and special habits, and they're so different from each other, and they're several people and races, what get them to gether is the Judaims, not more than that."

 

Jews are not several different races but all have a common origin. Apart from this, yes it is faith and common ideas for the future that keep a very diverse people such as the Jews together. And one of these things that unites most Jews is wholehearted support for Israel.

 

"We lived there from 3000 BC, and long time before you."

The Arabs are not the Cannaanites. They have nothing in common with Canaanites. They don't have any of the customs, traditions or religions of the Canaanites. 

And the Arabs certainly don't identify with the Cannaanites.

No one knows for sure what happened to the Canaanites, and they most likely just disappeared.

If there is a tribe that has a name similar to the word 'canaan', it doesn't mean for sure that they're the same people, whether they live in Yemen or elsewhere. 

 And even if it could be proven, which it can't, that that one tribe was descended from the ancient canaanites, then it doesn't mean that the wider Arab population has any entitlement to the land.

 

"ou can see that the costums and language of arabs and Muslims are alike, although they don't come from one place, but they got them with time and meeting and spread, and that is the same for the jews."

Jewish Middle Eastern customs existed among a tiny minority of people in the middle of completely different surroundings, staying completely seperate.

When it comes to the Arabs, it was the dominant culture anyway which affected the dominant culture in other places.

The first Jews that arrived in Europe were not missionaries, not random people, but the Jews that were deported to other areas of the Roman Empire by the Romans.

Judaism spreads, unlike Islam and Christianity, not through conversion but through birth rates.

 

"ADN of Jews is deference from a place to another place, and more than that, the Arabs have a lot of common ADNwith the JEws, does that mean the Arabs were JEws !!"

Both are Middle Eastern populations, and it above all proves that Jews are from nowhere else but the Middle East.

Noone except you and the Arabs seem to deny the origins or Jews and Judaism, and you're only doing it to play political games.

 

"the Palestinians had to do more than that, if they protected very were their lands, it wouldn't be a terrorist state now in their lands."

It was a terrorist state when the Arabs decided to use terror to scare away the Jews. 

History now shows that the right people one. The defenders, not the attackers.

You defend any terrorism, as long as its by Arabs against non-Arabs.

 

"Palestinian resistance, are the true man, the man of Allah, who fight for their lands and their honors, those are Modjahidine, and they have all our support to keep resisting."

They're cowards that mostly pulled back and hid when the Israeli army came.

"If your soldiers are true men, tell them fight the resistance man to man, they they will see who is the true man."

The goal of Israeli soldiers is not to fight one of your 'honour' wars, but to defend Israel and its citizens from attack.

If you can't win, don't attack in the first place.

 

"We're people don't afraid of die, die of Allah and land, but you're a coward, and afraid of die, and you love the life more than anything else."

Jews have had more experience with death and destruction in the past century than the entire Arab world put together, so don't bother.

03:48 PM May 31 2009 |