Creationism

I just read an article in which Bill Nye, of the tv show Bill Nye the Science Guy fame, says only Americans still believe in Creationism. Is that so? Does anyone else believe that?

Before I am assaulted by the Evolutionist hordes let me remind you that in my lifetime, everything I was taught about evolution (not natural selection) has been revised. The origins of man fell apart after DNA analysis and the age of the Earth has been quadrupled. Apparently carbon dating isn’t quite as spot on as we were previously assured. Gravity is a theory because we don’t know how it works, gravity itself is a fact. That the world exists is a fact, how it got here is a theory, even if some scientist says otherwise. As long as “the theory of evolution” continues to evolve and find outright errors in what it previously considered “fact”, it’s pretty arrogant to assume Creation never happened, especially since the whole theory is based on a 19th century view of time.

So what do you think? Anyone?

All which you say was “learned” recently. You only assume that like that which went before it won’t be ‘corrected’ also. You reference time in a linear fashion but won’t do likewise for evolution. So if changes don’t occur lineally, the offspring slightly different than their parents, are you suggesting one ancestor got bit by a radioactive spider and aquired super powers to pass along? No, the changes must be linear, from parent to offspring. Otherwise it’s just a mutation blip. Genesis describes other humans alive at the beginning. So what scientists just now learned has been known for millenia. Only the scientists had to change to the view that homo sapiens lived among other hominids. For “fundamentalists”, of which I am not I assure you, the idea that homo sapiens was one hominid among others has always been known. It’s in the book that way.

And again, I’m not trying to convert you, at this point I’m just hoping to show that we who don’t believe in evolution aren’t so stupid we shouldn’t be allowed to walk unescorted. My original point was it isn’t “science” enough for first graders, despite what Bill Nye says about us ruining our children. At this point this is just a friendly debate. Didn’t want you to think I was just being obstinate. We appear to be about the same age, surely what you were taught in the 60s has changed considerably since then, despite your teachers assurances that “this is scientific fact”.

I just read the article in National Geographic, very interesting, the story is superb and not finish… I think the last theory don’t destroy but clarify and specify the previous. Knowledge evolve and basis is strong.
In your first paragraph you speak gravity and the Higgs boson was discovered 50 years after the theory to explain gravity. We must be patient, and the holes will filled.
We will have opportunities to discuss about other topics …
Marc

Knowledge evolves and social sciences evolve, chemistry, anatomy, all kinds of things don’t actually evolve I don’t think, they are enhanced by additional knowledge. Understanding the circulatory system didn’t replace a previously recognized scientific principle because the understanding didn’t evolve the knowledge but rather expanded it. I have tried to understand Higgs Boson since they keep mentioning it on The Big Bang Theory. I don’t. But I do gather it’s still a bit on the theoretical side because Sheldon’s always trying to prove it somehow. As you say, hopefully future opportunities…

I was taught about evolution (not natural selection) has been revised. The origins of man fell apart after DNA analysis and the age of the Earth has been quadrupled.

I am not a science expert to comment on all mentioned scientific jargons that relates to evolution theory, but your above sentence give me a smell of George Orwell’s, 1984:

War is peace

Freedom is slavery

Ignorance is power

and furthermore, with present one can control the past, and with past one can control the future actions.

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Control of history is one of the basics of strategical deception, and for that purpose constant alteration in stances by rewriting all the contents of histories to window dress in such a way that seems like reality.

By controlling past one can control all the action in present.

One needs to have good memory for past utterances so that to match up with present for authenticity.  

Otherwise Big brother will demostrate famous three solgans without your knowing about it. 

War is peace

Freedom is slavery

Ignorance is power

And, I totally agree with you on this:

Knowledge evolves and social sciences evolve, chemistry, anatomy, all kinds of things don’t actually evolve I don’t think, they are enhanced by additional knowledge. Understanding the circulatory system didn’t replace a previously recognized scientific principle because the understanding didn’t evolve the knowledge but rather expanded it. I have tried to understand Higgs Boson since they keep mentioning it on The Big Bang Theory. I don’t. But I do gather it’s still a bit on the theoretical side because Sheldon’s always trying to prove it somehow. As you say, hopefully future opportunities…

@Saladeen:

I can’t believe you’re comparing mainstream scientific theory to Orwell’s 1984.

I would rather compare those that reject anything rational and scientific due to blind religious belief as fitting that description a lot more.

“it’s pretty arrogant to assume Creation never happened, especially since the whole theory is based on a 19th century view of time.”

I would assume the scientific method has been refined since the 19th century.  Noone denies that modern Evolution theory is very different from what Darwin first conceived.

I have to admit that I’m speaking as a recent convert to Evolution which I used to reject.

I also don’t understand how anyone other than hardcore Biblical  literalists can see their beliefs as in danger and incompatible with their religious beliefs.

Fabs, that’s exactly my issue. Should young children be taught what you call mainstream scientific theory, when actually this theory is very different than what the scientists swore in our courts was truth back in the 1920s. If that wasn’t truth, how do we know this is? Even “facts” of evolution less old than I am have been “refined” until they mean something other than they originally did. That’s not science, that’s trying to prove a fact exists. Gravity unquestionably existed, before the theory, before Higgs boson particle. Those were only explainations of an observable event. Evolution however isn’t itself an unarguable theory, explainations are even farther afield. Bill Nye says only Americans doubt evolution. Notice I have no where argued Biblical evolution per se, only that a Creator created. And again, my point was others besides us, (thanks Saladeen) believe, and are we really ruining our children by teaching them that evolution might not be right?

I think I understand the link between 1984 and this. Facts are being controlled and manipulated for personal reasons. As God has disappeared in my country, the Law has usurped our government. Can’t happen without atheism, atheism won’t happen without undermining scripture, evolution undermines the very basis of scripture. The only real point Darwin was determined to “prove” was that there is no god. The “theory of evolution” has changed far more than the story of Creation, and additional “facts” which contradict previous evolutionist theory, seem to make scriptural accounts less wrong than the theory of evolution was before they yet again changed it to suit the facts.

I don’t believe my beliefs are in danger, if they are wrong they aren’t worth having. I think your belief relies on an obsolete explanation of Time to make it work. Evolution is the “theory” that must keep changing. It’s not that they add detail to what’s known, they rewrite what’s “known” to suit what they now know.  I am saddened that you have bought into a theory whose last factual rewriting was less than 10 years ago. But you’re an adult and can choose for yourself. Children are not so, and teaching them facts in motion is irresponsible. My opinion only.  

Remember what Sherlock Holmes said about eliminating everything that wasn’t true and whatever is left is true. I suspect when Evolution has run out of reasonable conclusions to jump to when the previous conclusions were disproven, however unreasonable, will be Creation. That the plants and animals of this planet began here in adult form.

For clarities sake, I do believe the Genesis account of Creation, but any creator renders the unique parts of evolution invalid, as the reverse does to the idea of creator.

Consider this though: Nearly every scientist in the world, all of them I’ve ever heard of or met anyhow, have claimed that the speed of light is an insurmountable limit due to the rising energy usages to increase the velocity of mass. Now, I have said already I don’t actually understand Higgs boson particle implications, but if what I think I understand is true, separating matter from it’s Higgs boson particles would separate the matter from it’s mass. Matter with zero mass would no longer be bound by Einsteins theory and velocities above Light would be attainable. Now I could be wrong on all of this, but it seems to me from the dumbed down explainations I do understand, that trans light speed may be attainable in my lifetime. Even though no real scientist would agree I think. Sorry to keep babbling on, but it dawned on me that evolution wouldn’t be the first ‘scientifically” accepted fact to fall by the wayside.