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science.... vs .... Bible ......and ......Qur'an

monatta

monatta

Saudi Arabia

 

can science help us in our decision  ........  for who is intrested  . read the following :

 

THE BIBLE GETS COSMOLOGY COMPLETELY WRONG!  

 

Genesis 1:3-5 There was evening and morning one day. This statement indicates that the first thing created was the day and night. However, we know that day and night would come after the existence of the sun and through its rise and set. However, verse 14 from the same chapter indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day, God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. Genesis 1:11 states that vegetations, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees were created on the third day: But we know that vegetations and plants could not grow without sun, while Genesis 1:16 tells us that the sun was created on the fourth day. Moreover, Genesis Chapter 2 contradicts the first chapter. The first chapter has stated that vegetations and plants and the trees were created on the third day, before the creation of man, who was created on the sixth day; however, Genesis Chapter 2:5-9 tells us that man was created before vegetation and plants

 

Moreover, Genesis 1:14-19 describes the creation of the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day, after the creation of the earth on the third day. Our modern knowledge of the formation of the solar system does not allow us to state that the sun, moon, and stars came into being after the creation of the earth. Scientists tell us that stars eventually exploded and recondensed over numerous cycles, forming the heavy elements that LATER condensed into the earth.

 

 

 

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THE QURAN GETS COSMOLOGY COMPLETELY CORRECT!

 

 

 

 

 

THE BIG BANG CAME FIRST According to scientists, the big bang is how the universe began.

 

Quran 21:30 Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, but we have opened them. Translation M.H. Shakir, Yusaf Ali

 

 

THEN CAME A VAPOR/GAS THAT WAS DESTINED TO BE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH DURING THIS OPEN STATE – Scientists tell us that after the big bang, plasma formed and later cooled to gases (helium and hydrogen).

 

Quran 41:11 Moreover, he directed himself to the heaven and it was a vapor. Yusaf Ali

 

THE CREATION OF THE HEAVENS: Scientists tell us that eventually, the gases condensed into stars.

 

Quran 41:12 So he ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and made it to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the knowing. Translation M.H. Shakir

 

 

THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
Scientists claim that the universe is expanding.

 

Quran 51:47 With power and skill did we construct the heaven: For it is we who expand the vastness of Space. -Translation Yusaf Ali, Maurice Bucaille

 

 

 

EARTH IS COMPLETED AFTER THE HEAVENS – Scientists tell us that stars eventually exploded and recondensed over numerous cycles, forming the heavy elements that LATER condensed into the earth.

 

Quran 79:27-30 Are you the harder to create or the heaven? He made it. He raised high its height, then put it into a right good state. And he made dark its night and brought out its light (i.e. stars). And the earth, he expanded it AFTER that. -Translation M.H. SHAKIR

 

 

SCIENCE 102) THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS FLAT!

 

Isaiah 11:12  
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel , and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (RSV) 

Luke 4:5 The devil led him up to a high mountain and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. (NIV) Jesus is said to be capable of seeing all the Kingdoms of Earth from the top of a really tall place. Of course, this would be impossible if the Earth was spherical. Christopher Columbus almost suffered a mutiny in the 15th century because his crew feared falling over the edge of the Earth.

 

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THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROUND!

 

Quran, 79:30: God created heaven, and after that he round shaped the earth. -Translation M.H. Shakir

 

The Arabic word being translated here Dahaha is translated as "expand;" however, it has another meaning in the Arabic language and that is round shaped or egg shaped.

 

  

 

SCIENCE 103) THE BIBLE SAYS THE SUN IS MOVING AROUND THE EARTH

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.  (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)

 

 "And the sun stood still…So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day." (From the NIV Bible, Joshua 10:13 ) This verse reports that the sun stood still so Joshua could finish all of his killing before darkness came. This implies that the sun had to have been moving in the first place in order for it to in any way come to a stop

 

 Then the prophet Isaiah called upon the Lord, and the Lord made the shadow go back the ten steps it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 20:11 ) An equally ridiculous notion in the Bible is that the sun went backwards 10 degrees on the sundial one day – again implying that the sun moved, stopped, reversed, stopped, then proceeded forward again.

 Not only does the Bible support a moving sun – it was simply common sense. Only a fool would look up at the sky and say that the sun did not move! These phenomena are simply due to Earth?s rotation and NOT by Sun?s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun?s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth?s gravity. Does the bible ever mention that the earth or any other planet rotates, like the Quran does? The answer regrettably for Christians and Jews is no.

 

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THE QURAN SAYS THE EARTH IS ROTATING

Quran, 21:33

"It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) rotate (falak), each in their celestial spheres." Yusaf Ali, M.H. Shakir

 

 

 

The Arabic word "falak" used for planets and planets' movements in Verse 21:33 means rotation or movement. The Quran states that all celestial bodies including the earth rotate.?

 

 

this article is from this site :

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com

 

 

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Jane Doe

Jane Doe

Indonesia

why did tools vanish from the replay area in my computer . it seems that you do not have this problem .

try to refresh the page..it usually happens when the page isn't completely loading…low speed connection can be the cause. just refresh the page and wait a little longer until the "done" word appears on the corner left of the explorer you use..

see? I can be nice too.Laughing

09:50 AM Apr 18 2008 |

pop272001

pop272001

Indonesia

but hey it's okay..now I'm the fat racist jewish…it's amazing how I can get a new nickname since I joined the site.

..hm..that's nice nickname !!!Laughing ...better than I have…(islamic extremist as Mark said..Undecided)

10:16 AM Apr 18 2008 |

spontan

spontan

Germany

InnocentIs the Koran really completely correct????for me these kind of old man rules in the Koran are criminal and the old men, who defend this rule are sexist and pedophile and should come in prison….this kind of obey have nothing to do with the believe!!!!!!!!!! its only to make legal sex with children.I post this following article in a deep respect to the little girl and her lawyer,for me they are mother courage and her little courage girl.

8-year-old girl's divorce is finalized while a law to prevent early marriage stalls By: Hamed Thabet

 
Nojoud reciving gifts in Yemen Times office in Sana’a.Eight-year-old Nojoud is now safe after an anonymous donor paid her 30-year-old husband to divorce her. Although this chapter of her life has closed, there are many other Yemeni girls who still suffer from early marriage and its consequences. Feminist groups in Yemen are urging the Parliament to legally define a minimum marriage age. However, there is a long way to go before girls like Nojoud can be free from detrimental early marriages.



SANA’A, 16 April — A few months ago, Nojoud was an average 8-year-old girl from a poor family. Then Nojoud’s father decided to marry her off to a man more than three times her age. Overnight, Nojoud became a wife, enduring physical and sexual abuse for two months until she ran away with the help of her uncle and filed a court case against her father and her husband.

On April 15, with support from her lawyer Shatha Mohammed Nasser and Judge Abud Al-Khaleaq Ghowber, Nojoud paid her way out of marriage with YR 100,000 from an anonymous donor in the Emirates and happily became an 8-year-old divorcee.

“This was the first time a girl came to us for a divorce. We are going to do our best to push the parliament to change the marriage law,” said Judge Ghowber.

“I am so happy to be free and I will go back to school and will never think of getting married again," Nojoud said joyfully. "It is a good feeling to be rid of my husband and his bad treatment.”

She said that she felt lucky that she did not have to continue in such a marriage and a live out a life similar to her sisters, who had been married young [though not as young as Nojoud] and have alrNojoud with her lawyer in the court. eady bore children.

“Although Nojoud does not know her real birthday, I believe this day she was born again and it would be apt to celebrate this day as the first day of her new life,” said Nasser.



Early marriage in Yemen:

According to the International Center for Research on Women’s 2007 statistics, Yemen is one of 20 developing countries where early marriage is common. Nearly half of all Yemeni girls are married before the age of 18.

Most women have their first child immediately after their first menstruation cycle and are likely to have a child every 12 months during their reproductive lifespan. Yemen's fertility rate is extremely high, with an average 6.3 children per each woman, and the country also has some of the highest mother and infant mortality rates worldwide.

According to research on early marriage in Yemen from Oxfam and the United Nations Population Fund, there are severe physical consequences that result from early marriage and subsequent early childbirth such as nutritional anemia, post-partum hemorrhages, obstetric fistula (a disorder that affects the bladder and causes leaking of urine or feces), plus mother and infant mortality.

Additionally, many girls like Nojoud develop irreparable psychological complexes from early marriage and the forced sexual encounters that accompany it. Early marriage also contributes to divorce and family problems.< br>
“I hated nights because they usually meant that my husband would come to my bed. I used to run from him and he would chase me and beat me and do his thing. I pray that my younger sisters do not face the same fate,” said Nojoud. Now the 8-year-old is living with her uncle and his family in relative safety.



A divided society

The Yemeni personal status law stipulates that a girl cannot be wed until she is ready for intercourse, which in essence leaves the judgment up to the girl's parents or guardians.

Judge Ghowber explained that early marriages are usually the fault of the parents. He insisted that there must be increased awareness among Yemeni families in order to avoid these serious mistakes.

A number of Yemeni religious scholars, including some in the Evaluation and Jurisprudence Committee in the Parliament, say that since there is no religious statement defining a minimum age for marriage, then early marriage is perfectly fine if not desirable.

Other scholars and religious authorities, like Judge Hamoud Al-Hitar, the Minister of Endowment, want to create legislation to prevent parents from marrying their girls off at a young age and to prevent religious sheikhs from endorsing such marriages.

“Those who approve of girls marrying at 13, 14 or even below 18, are barbaric men who abuse childhood and are irresponsible,” said religious scholar Yahiya Al-Najar, the former Minister of Endowment.

He explained that there should be a minimum age for boys and girls to marry in order to complete their phys ical and mental development and so that they can manage the responsibilities of marriage and raising a family.

Al-Hitar said that the minimum age of marriage should be 16-years-old, no less. He added that previous religious bodies in charge of jurisprudence wrote such laws in 1976 and in 1988.

"Those who say that defining a minimum age for marriage is un-Islamic do not understand the religion at all," said Al-Hitar. "Defining a minimum age of marriage is a need dedicated by life’s nature.”

The Yemeni parliament is equally divided between MPs who believe in safe motherhood (and thereby banning early marriage) and those who don’t. Deputy speaker of Parliament, MP Himyar Al-Ahmar, said that he supports the creation of legislation against early marriage, requested by the Women's National Committee, but prefers to forward the issue to the Evaluation and Jurisprudence Committee, which is strongly against such legislation.

Rasheeda Al-Hamadani, chair of the Women's National Committee, promised to continue to raise awareness about the issue by holding workshops soon with religious leaders, MPs and decision makers.
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12:01 PM Apr 18 2008 |

monatta

monatta

Saudi Arabia

you are nice – jane – even before this favour ,
thank you dear ,
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you know .. i tried to do as you said but it does not work .
still have no tools , so upset
I miss smileyes very much .also I notice that I can not make empty space between the lines , as I press the buttom (save) all the empty spaces disappear and the lines becomes close to each other , so I put dots .
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about the nick name , do not fit you , you are not racist , nor jewish or fat .try another
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popi’s nick name may be
suitalbe for here .
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just kidding ,

01:09 PM Apr 18 2008 |

Jane Doe

Jane Doe

Indonesia

monatta: what explorer do you use? maybe you can try mozilla firefox and try if it works.

and maybe you could right click on the existed icon that had been used by ebabiens in their posts and copy image then paste it in your post…I hope it's works..

are you sure it's not the connection?? it happened to me when a couple days a go and it was because it's not completely loaded…. 

04:42 PM Apr 18 2008 |

monatta

monatta

Saudi Arabia

it is not the connection . may be the explorer cause this becouse I found the email has no tools as will .
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may be there is vairus , I will check .
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thinks again for your help

05:29 AM Apr 20 2008 |

spontan

spontan

Germany

to abuhaseeb,

i believe you that the majority of Muslims don't considerthat it's not accepptable for a 8 year's old to get married.. 
 this shows the posted article from the Yemen times clearly ..but some scholars and other religious authorities, they teach in the year 2008  such a nonsense like this:

""" A number of Yemeni religious scholars, including some in the Evaluation and Jurisprudence Committee in the Parliament, say that since there is no religious statement defining a minimum age for marriage, then early marriage is perfectly fine if not desirable.""" this was the reason i post this article from the Yemen times

to Angle smile:

the holy books like Bible and Koran are all in the history written from old men, the bible in the third century the Koran in the sixth century by the way you find also in the Bible old men nonsense..Do you really think a women could write such sentences about possibilities for man to get ease through divorce from his wife in the koran:

65:4Mufti Taqi Usmani And those women from among you who have despaired of (further) menstruation, if you are in doubt, their =Iddah is three months, as well as of those who have not yet menstruated. As for those having pregnancy, their term (of =Iddah ) is that they give birth to their child. And whoever fears Allah, He brings about ease for him in his affair.Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.Sahih International And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women – if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah – He will make for him of his matter ease. 

 

 

10:47 AM Apr 20 2008 |

gkisseberth

Germany

monatta, I am accessing ebaby from my other computer today and I have no tools either. This computer has a beta of Firefox 3, and I am using Firefox 2 on the other one. Not sure if that’s the reason though.

12:04 PM Apr 20 2008 |

gkisseberth

Germany

Okay, on this computer I have the tools. I am using firefox 2

 

So it could be your browser, monatta.  

12:29 PM Apr 20 2008 |

monatta

monatta

Saudi Arabia

 

what agreat help you did for me , gkiss and jane ,

I will be thankful for ever .

 

yeah , it is the explorer as you   said , 

I downlaoded firefox 2   , 

 look at the reasult ,  I have smileyes again

 

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

. oh .lovely faces how hard to live with out you  .Cry

never leave me  againYell

01:07 PM Apr 20 2008 |