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onurerdem

onurerdem

Turkey

November 12, 2008

During the 1930's the king of Saudi Arabia began to demolish all the graves in the country because worshipping to the graves was a sin according to islam. When it was time to demolish the grave of prophet Muhammed all of the muslims in Arabia request help from Mustafa Kemal Ataturk(great founder of Turkish Republic) and he sent a note to the king of Arabia saying if he have touched any stone of the Muhammed's grave he would pay really much worth of this behaviour (may be war or another thing). Then the grave is still there.. Now people are talking about that Ataturk was not a real muslim, he changed the state of country, stopped caliphate.. When we think about all the things, revolutions he had made there is no way besides obeying his way. He was a great man that all the public leaders Che Guavera, Fidel Castro or others walked with Ataturk's light. When Che was dead the book of Ataturk "Nutuk (speech)" was found in his bag. You can search this. If there is someone that we must try to understand that is Ataturk. He is the father of Turkish people and every children in the world..

 

 

Yuna Brezka's great answer to this topic, thanks her

As I know that dead people are taken to thier countries to burial if they die here …

No one can demolish prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) grave !!

and visiting graves is not a sin at all BUT grave worshipping is a sin !

 

And about shrines read this …

 

Shrines are completely Haram (forbidden) in Islam because they are paganistic and polythiestic in nature. Historically, Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) destroyed all the shrines in Mecca. This point cannot be stressed enough: the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) shed blood of the Sahabah in order that Mecca be cleansed of shrines, and this was one of the Prophet’s first legislative acts after the Muslims conquered Mecca. How is it that the Shia do not realize that what they are doing is completely antithetical to the entire mission of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) who was sent to guide a shrine-worshipping people?

The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) repeatedly condemned grave-worshipping in the authentic Hadith:

“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.” (Sahih Muslim)

 

“May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

 

“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

 

“If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari)

 

“Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.” (Sahih Bukhari)

 

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06:29 AM Nov 13 2008

progression
Turkey

Dignified... You say that you are not freely live your religion... Any policeman prevented you from praying so far? Any meausures taken not to go pilgrimage? Any restriction upon fasting on ramadan? Any restriction upon reading and printing qoran? I really wonder in what ways you don't live your religion? I think you are rather jumping on the bandwagon of islamist media

01:44 AM Nov 13 2008

onurerdem

onurerdem
Turkey

Ataturk founded a democratic country believing us to continue his ideals. And he left a guide book to us also make a speech called "Speech to Youth". He foresaw the future and told us in 1930. But we turned the country to chaos, we couldn't respect to different ideas, democratic rules didn't work well but it is the reason of our miseducated people. We believed the politics who cheated us later. They told that the others are opposite to religion so vote us we are religious and my fool people believe them and vote, then these men stole all the money the state has, you know the privatalization ideals of the AKP. the country's reserves are melted. After that do you believe that you will live your religion freely in this foreign Turkey?

01:10 AM Nov 13 2008

dignified

dignified
Turkey

I correct my last sentence.Where was he while Islam was being got rid of Turkey?I want an Islamic country?The only thing I have said is that I am not sure I freely live my religion in my country.Does Turkey respect the idea of being expressed all ideas freely?Can I chastise Ataturk in Turkey?I would be finding myself in prison even I would express an opposite notion through Ataturk's revolution.You know that it has been banned to materialize your negative thoughts about Ataturk by laws.Which democracy?We live in a country that has many laws barring you from offering any idea about some items put the constitution of Turkey.Can you envisage a country that even you speak out about unchanged items on constitution.Yeah,we are democratic compared with the other brutal regimes,alas,half democratic.

12:52 AM Nov 13 2008

onurerdem

onurerdem
Turkey

If Ataturk had kept caliphet how could he build a democratic republic? Do you see any democracy in Muslim countries? Result is they are not a power in the world. Only selling natural resources. If the caliphet had remained whose words would be more valuable. It would turn back to kingdom if the caliphet had remained. Turkey is the only country that founded under the democratic rules. Every person(also women) gained the right to vote and have right to be in the parliment before every modern country. Ataturk built a modern country to us but it was the only one in Muslim world so some sides didn't want to see Turkey as a modern power country so too many games have being played on Turkey. You know. You have all the rights to live your religion in Turkey, all religions are peacely alive in Turkey. So why do you want an islamic state? What will the country gain if islamic rules are in operation?  

12:31 AM Nov 13 2008

dignified

dignified
Turkey

Always do I respect people to praise and revere Ataturk.What makes me feel bewildered is to treat Ataturk just as a prophet or supernatural person.Saudis may have been thwarted by Ataturk,and if it is true,it is a decent attitude.What else Ataturk's revolutions seeing Islam as the only motive of undevelopment of Turkey(Ottomans).Islam was labelled as barrier in the idea of enlightening.Why did he abolish caliphet?Didn't he ever think that abolishing caliphet would cause caos in Muslim World?He saved prophet Muhammed's grave?Where was he while Islam were getting rid of Turkey?